Why do people think, the Hero title isn't that great anymore? - Guild Wars Forums

roshanabey2 · Feb 24, 2008, 01:36 PM // 13:36

I only started playing PVP regularyrecently, and was thinking, 'Why not do Hero's Acent?' But it seems that the Hero title doesn't have the prestige that it used to have. Why?

God Apprentice · Feb 24, 2008, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by roshanabey2

I only started playing PVP regularyrecently, and was thinking, 'Why not do Hero's Acent?' But it seems that the Hero title doesn't have the prestige that it used to have. Why?

Because there was a time when titles did not exist. I noticed that immediately after titles came into existence people started caring about particular rank brackets as entry into a group A LOT more. Not that this had not existed already.

Also the lack of regular skill balance and mechanic changes lent to HA becoming a stagnant area. Those who favored skill over balance see people run builds that have an objective of "farm 3 maps. rinse repeat" and go "WTF is this shit. Why can't ANet get some serious skill balance in here so we can play against unique, interesting builds, instead of having to play against the same "insert flavor of the month". Most of these guys realise that these builds have no real chance at winning Halls, so why do they play them?!?!?!"

Basically there are those who play HA for fun, and really don't care about their fame count, and then the others, who in my opinion are a majority, play solely for fame.

Oukanna · Feb 24, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Well i always want to win the halls, just for the experience (of course fame included)

However to win the halls you need to get into the good groups and to get into the good groups you need high rank. To get high ranks, people have turned to farming because thats all thay can do to get the desired rank.

Thats my opinion, based on what i see lately.

disaster422 · Feb 24, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

yeah it's become a useless title because now it doesn't show true skill. Before you had more balanced builds winning halls, with some of the best players. Now you have people running random shit like hexway and iway. Stuff that just takes button mashing to win.

Pleikki · Feb 24, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Tbh i think elitism should be deleted and make everyone who rly wants able to try it it would make easyer learn to Pvp now if you hasnt got rank its almost impossible get HA team unless if you got mates/guildies. But yeah hero ranks +10 still Are great but bambi is atm pretty bad cause its easy get you can get runs for Ha 1-2k/fame thats like 300-400 for r3 if you got cash you can get easyest ranks without any talent

disaster422 · Feb 24, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

bambi is horrible atm since we've had like 5 double fame weekends, nubs decide to try HA with iway and get it. I've had my r3 for almost 1.5 years since I <3 my bambi

cthulhu reborn · Feb 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

As a PvE player of which there are many it's a title that means nothing just as any other PvP title. But I have played some PvP to see what it was like and I just see a lot of abuse, gimmick builds and such so why would it mean anything? From my point of view since favour no longer is determined by HA for a specific continent I don't see HA as anything of any interest at all. Why in the world would I wanna deal with the usual PvP crap to win HA? I don't even know why I would want to do HA begin with cause winning it has no point to me. You might occasionally get a cool drop but you can get cool drops elsewhere.
Since HA has no impact on the game basically, winning it means nothing either.

Just my opinion.

Solas · Feb 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by roshanabey2

I only started playing PVP regularyrecently, and was thinking, 'Why not do Hero's Acent?' But it seems that the Hero title doesn't have the prestige that it used to have. Why?

all those people running around with bambi makes it seem common imo, and there general attitude. but once i get the best out of pve i'd like to go for ha too for a bit, for the exp.

Darkobra · Feb 24, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

Tbh i think elitism should be deleted and make everyone who rly wants able to try it it would make easyer learn to Pvp now if you hasnt got rank its almost impossible get HA team unless if you got mates/guildies. But yeah hero ranks +10 still Are great but bambi is atm pretty bad cause its easy get you can get runs for Ha 1-2k/fame thats like 300-400 for r3 if you got cash you can get easyest ranks without any talent

I've personally never heard of such runs.

Celestial_Kitsune · Feb 24, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by roshanabey2

I only started playing PVP regularyrecently, and was thinking, 'Why not do Hero's Acent?' But it seems that the Hero title doesn't have the prestige that it used to have. Why?

Any title can be farmed. The only thing a title says about a person is that s/he spent some time doing activity x and has some experience in that area. Skill != Rank

Lord Natural · Feb 24, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Pretty much the only thing that killed the title was time. In the game's early stages only the most dedicated had the ranks at first. So in that respect it could be considered prestigous to display a rank that so few had. There was also no obs mode back then, so the winning hoh message was a big thing, and seeing someone from one of the dominant tombs guilds and a high rank was enough for a little respect anyway. Time sort of watered that down, and now with the crappy hoh objectives, no favor, and general HA inactivity, I don't think anyone really cares about who's winning or who's even playing now. Everyone and their kid brother has a tiger now, so in that respect the title tells you almost nothing about a player, except that this person has at least dedicated himself to pvp a little.

Diddy bow · Feb 24, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Champion is the only title that requires much in the way ok skill the rest just require the right wiki build and ofc pve titles are just grind.

Stormlord Alex · Feb 24, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by roshanabey2

I only started playing PVP regularyrecently, and was thinking, 'Why not do Hero's Acent?' But it seems that the Hero title doesn't have the prestige that it used to have. Why?

IWAY, Ritspike, and all the other skill-free scrubways that made it easy for people who lack the skill and don't really deserve wins, to win and get fame.

Steboy93 · Feb 24, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

I've personally never heard of such runs.

Look in the 'Services' section of Ventari's Corner, you will see quite a few

kratimas · Feb 25, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14

What do you mean anymore?

I didn't realize anyone ever thought any title was great, or meant anything.

Learn something new everyday.

Krat

iridescentfyre · Feb 25, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

IWAY, Ritspike, and all the other skill-free scrubways that made it easy for people who lack the skill and don't really deserve wins, to win and get fame.

It seems like lately these builds are about the only way to get into HA. For players new to HA, the choice is usually either to use a skill-free build, or to completely avoid HA.

If that has cheapened the Hero title, then wouldn't the alternative be to close off HA to newcomers entirely?

RavagerOfDreams · Feb 25, 2008, 05:45 AM // 05:45

gimmik builds have cheapened the title
they don't win in the halls but they get the fame

Reason · Feb 25, 2008, 06:07 AM // 06:07

It is really simple

IWAY
RaO
N/Rt

**cosyfiep** · Feb 25, 2008, 06:24 AM // 06:24

I dont pve, pvp titles mean NOTHING to me.....pve titles dont mean much to me either....they are all pretty easy to get now.

Div · Feb 25, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Since when does any title mean anything?

Feb 24, 2008, 01:36 PM // 13:36	#1
roshanabey2 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2007 Guild: [lion] Profession: N/Mo	Why do people think, the Hero title isn't that great anymore? I only started playing PVP regularyrecently, and was thinking, 'Why not do Hero's Acent?' But it seems that the Hero title doesn't have the prestige that it used to have. Why?

Feb 24, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34	#3
Oukanna Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: Ancient Shaolin Guardians Profession: E/D	Well i always want to win the halls, just for the experience (of course fame included) However to win the halls you need to get into the good groups and to get into the good groups you need high rank. To get high ranks, people have turned to farming because thats all thay can do to get the desired rank. Thats my opinion, based on what i see lately.

Feb 24, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43	#4
disaster422 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: But I Have A Wife And Kids[QQ]-leader Profession: W/	yeah it's become a useless title because now it doesn't show true skill. Before you had more balanced builds winning halls, with some of the best players. Now you have people running random shit like hexway and iway. Stuff that just takes button mashing to win.

Feb 24, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21	#5
Pleikki WTB q8 15^50 Weapons! Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: ???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]	Tbh i think elitism should be deleted and make everyone who rly wants able to try it it would make easyer learn to Pvp now if you hasnt got rank its almost impossible get HA team unless if you got mates/guildies. But yeah hero ranks +10 still Are great but bambi is atm pretty bad cause its easy get you can get runs for Ha 1-2k/fame thats like 300-400 for r3 if you got cash you can get easyest ranks without any talent

Feb 24, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17	#6
disaster422 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: But I Have A Wife And Kids[QQ]-leader Profession: W/	bambi is horrible atm since we've had like 5 double fame weekends, nubs decide to try HA with iway and get it. I've had my r3 for almost 1.5 years since I <3 my bambi

Feb 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48	#7
cthulhu reborn Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: the Netherlands Profession: W/Mo	As a PvE player of which there are many it's a title that means nothing just as any other PvP title. But I have played some PvP to see what it was like and I just see a lot of abuse, gimmick builds and such so why would it mean anything? From my point of view since favour no longer is determined by HA for a specific continent I don't see HA as anything of any interest at all. Why in the world would I wanna deal with the usual PvP crap to win HA? I don't even know why I would want to do HA begin with cause winning it has no point to me. You might occasionally get a cool drop but you can get cool drops elsewhere. Since HA has no impact on the game basically, winning it means nothing either. Just my opinion.

Feb 24, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#11
Lord Natural Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Black Crescent [BC] Profession: W/	Pretty much the only thing that killed the title was time. In the game's early stages only the most dedicated had the ranks at first. So in that respect it could be considered prestigous to display a rank that so few had. There was also no obs mode back then, so the winning hoh message was a big thing, and seeing someone from one of the dominant tombs guilds and a high rank was enough for a little respect anyway. Time sort of watered that down, and now with the crappy hoh objectives, no favor, and general HA inactivity, I don't think anyone really cares about who's winning or who's even playing now. Everyone and their kid brother has a tiger now, so in that respect the title tells you almost nothing about a player, except that this person has at least dedicated himself to pvp a little.

Feb 24, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27	#12
Diddy bow Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!! Guild: looking for one :p Profession: A/D	Champion is the only title that requires much in the way ok skill the rest just require the right wiki build and ofc pve titles are just grind.

Feb 25, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14	#15
kratimas Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Order of the Setting Sun Profession: R/	What do you mean anymore? I didn't realize anyone ever thought any title was great, or meant anything. Learn something new everyday. Krat

Feb 25, 2008, 05:45 AM // 05:45	#17
RavagerOfDreams Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: somewhere over the rainbow.... Profession: A/	gimmik builds have cheapened the title they don't win in the halls but they get the fame

Feb 25, 2008, 06:07 AM // 06:07	#18
Reason Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: California Profession: E/	It is really simple IWAY RaO N/Rt

Feb 25, 2008, 06:24 AM // 06:24	#19
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	I dont pve, pvp titles mean NOTHING to me.....pve titles dont mean much to me either....they are all pretty easy to get now.

Feb 25, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36	#20
Div I like yumy food! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Where I can eat yumy food Guild: Dead Alley [dR] Profession: Mo/R	Since when does any title mean anything?